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Year End Remembrance 2019

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Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - 5:00am


Announcer: This is 4-H-4-U-2, a podcast from the Mississippi State University Extension Service promoting 4-H programs and positive youth development. Here now, your hosts, Dr. John Long and Cobie Rutherford.

John Long: Welcome to 4-H-4-U-2, the podcast about everything Mississippi 4-H and just 4-H in general. I'm your host, John Long.

Cobie Rutherford: And I'm Cobie Rutherford.

John Long: Cobie, how are we doing today?

Cobie Rutherford: It's a great day here in Mississippi.

John Long: Yes. It's been a while since we've actually done a podcast, and I guess we're going to call this our end of the year podcast.

Cobie Rutherford: Season finale.

John Long: Season finale. And get ready for next year title.

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, that's right.

John Long: So, since we said season finale, do you have a favorite season finale of any show or whatever that you've ever did.

Cobie Rutherford: I like those season finales that end in a cliffhanger. You're like what happens next? And you just can't wait until the next season comes on and then you forget to set your DVR and miss it. Usually better.

John Long: And then somebody says, "Did you see that?"

Cobie Rutherford: The spoilers.

John Long: "No, I didn't."

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, totally missed it. But yeah, I like those. I like series finales that end on a good note, I hate not having closure on something. I hate not knowing what happens next with the characters. I want to know what happens at the end.

John Long: Yeah, and if they just try to kind of wing it and say, "Oh, this is the final episode, even for the series." And you feel lackluster, like you don't have that closure, and the course of the folks that do try to do a series finale. A lot of times, they can't do it right. And just disappointing, I guess you could say.

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, totally agree there. The one series that just really left things bad to me was the New Dallas. When Dallas came out a few years ago on TNT and they had the new cast, but they still had the old group with Patrick Duffy and Larry Hagman and all of those folks. And that series just ended and I guess funding got cut or the program got cut and now I just really thought that was terrible because we don't know what happened to all those characters.

John Long: Now. And I tell you what, since we got on a series finale, I would say that my favorite series finale was Mash.

Cobie Rutherford: Really?

John Long: Yeah. Oh yeah. I remember that very well. You know, it was just like this, it was a big white off of the whole deal, and they ramped it up perfect. It was just perfect.

Cobie Rutherford: Well, speaking of wrapping things up, I think our office is kind of in that phase, right?

John Long: Yeah, segue way into what we're going to be talking about.

Cobie Rutherford: Getting right into the next spring's activities, I've caught myself all week trying to tie up loose ends from the fair, and we just got out from a great conference.

John Long: Yep. We sure did.

Cobie Rutherford: And if nothing else, that kind of sets the stage for our planning next year.

John Long: When Coach Shaffer, he was, wasn't he just inspiring? I love it. I loved hearing him, just great.

Cobie Rutherford: That was really good to me as well. I knew that he is such a leader on the court, but when they gave started giving his personal examples from his home life and especially the things about coaching his own daughter and how he-

John Long: Being a servant later.

Cobie Rutherford: Oh yeah, that was really good. And what also inspired me, when you talked about the young lady, is what he looks for in talent. He looks for the people that work hard, that are willing to improve and that are coachable and gosh, from a 4-H faculty standpoint, that hit me. Because, if we're not teaching our 4-H'ers to be coachable adults, what are we doing? Right?

John Long: I went to a parenting conference this past Sunday and it was on, they ask who it had elementary aged kids. And I raised my hand and says, of course everybody, there was a lot of people there, and they said, you're coaching teenagers right now. You may not think of it, but you are. And I thought that was impressive. So I guess that goes right along with 4-H, we start from the beginning, and we just keep developing that young person and then we hope that, once they get through that. We have done some, we get on the beginning and hopefully they'll stick with it. But yeah, annual conference was really good. I enjoyed it, but I guess, it's amazing because we look at the calendar, and you think how we started way back in January and with planning, and all of a sudden we come along and now this episode is actually being recorded in November and we're already starting to talk about next year and even on into the year for next year.

John Long: So, I know you've been working on the calendar zone too, so.

Cobie Rutherford: Oh yeah. That's hopefully, I'm ready to put that project to bed. It seems like you start looking at the 2020 calendar, and you start having all the events planned, and you're like, "This will be here tomorrow."

John Long: Yeah, that's right. This is it.

Cobie Rutherford: It seems like, and you get only into putting dates on the calendar and gosh, we just finished that activity. Just keep on living. But I have now completed a whole year in the state for each office.

John Long: Yeah. How does that feel?

Cobie Rutherford: It feels like-

John Long: A full year.

Cobie Rutherford: ... I've accomplished something. Yeah, a full year. Started October 1 of, right now, September 1 the last year. So, it's been a little bit over a year now. But I went through every event the state for each office has something to do with, and I learned a lot this year. Learned a lot about myself, learned a lot about what these 4-H'ers teachers need and gosh, 4-H has changed a lot since I was a 4-H'er.

John Long: Damn, it has. We've had some really good guests I think too, since we started, when did we start the podcast? That's a good question right there.

Cobie Rutherford: Ooh, trivia. Well, we've done 30 episodes. This is number 30. Probably this summer. Well, I know it's in the spring.

John Long: Spring, yeah. It hadn't been.

Cobie Rutherford: Because we did some co-op episodes, and we've had a lot of specialists in here talking about their things.

John Long: Really good guests.

Cobie Rutherford: Yes.

John Long: We've had some great guests.

Cobie Rutherford: Moving forward for next year. I think you and I have talked about what our hopes are, but I'd like to get any more agents.

John Long: Yeah. I think that will be great.

Cobie Rutherford: Talk about some folks in the county, talk to more youth. I think our audience would like to hear more perspectives from the young 4-H'ers.

John Long: We're going to hold Tammy Parker to our agreement. She's going to come in too and talk about volunteerism.

Cobie Rutherford: Yes.

John Long: I think that'd be really good.

Cobie Rutherford: I think that would be as well.

John Long: You get a volunteer and would be great.

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah. Well you know we had Courtney?

John Long: Yeah, we did. Yeah.

Cobie Rutherford: And she did a good job, but she's kind of a different volunteer since she's got two different perspectives.

John Long: She kind of wears two different hats, so you know, as far as the Clover is concerned. Right?

Cobie Rutherford: Right. And so she has the staff hat and then the volunteer hat as well.

John Long: That's right.

Cobie Rutherford: Of all the things we did this year, my favorite I think was a going through record books.

John Long: I'd never done, I don't know if I said this, I'd never done that before.

Cobie Rutherford: Really?

John Long: Yeah, it was pretty neat. I enjoyed that too.

Cobie Rutherford: See if what, and that's something that I always did as a 4-H'er, but I never really knew what the process was, or I don't even know that the Irish left at the county office.

John Long: I'd always heard of record book, but I didn't know what was in it. It's kind of had an idea.

Cobie Rutherford: They document for those of you who don't know if they document for their project area for an entire year and document every single thing they do, that is in relationship to their project. So, for instance, a child that has a livestock project, might put that they purchased their livestock and may and that, that they fed them X amount of pounds of feed that was worth X amount of dollars throughout the month of may. And then document that every single month until Dixie Nationals when they sell that animal. But then, what I didn't realize is that 4-Hers are also doing that for things like gardening or-

John Long: Safety.

Cobie Rutherford: ... leadership, safety, citizenship, where they give back to their communities. And there's just some really good stories in those record boats.

John Long: So Cobie, what's the power of the record book? What is that teachable moment that the record book provides?

Cobie Rutherford: Well, I think first of all, the record books going to teach them some accountability. I think when you start learn by doing is what we try to preach in 4-H. But when they go back, and they start building up on the record books, they can really see how far they've come.

John Long: Right.

Cobie Rutherford: Oh, what do you think?

John Long: Well, I always, I guess part of me thinks of it is from a standpoint of like, I know it sounds kind of redundant I guess, but record keeping ability. A lot of people don't have that skill of keeping up with day to day activities like that and making a record of it and hence the name record book. I know. But still that's an art within itself, I think. You know what I mean?

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, totally.

John Long: Because I know that like for instance, with my child, I gave her record book and it was kind of like, "Okay you have to get on it. Daddy's not going to do it for you." So you have to be, like you said, accountable, you have to be responsible enough to say, all right, well this is something that's worthy of going into the record book and I need to start logging this stuff in. So I think that's real. Well, and another thing too is though is the ability to be able to showcase or, I don't want to say sell yourself, but to really say, "Hey this is who I am. This is what I'm doing."

Cobie Rutherford: Self promote.

John Long: Self promote. And that's very important. You knew go put in a job resume together, and you've got to sell yourself to that employer or a potential employer. And I think that's a great preparation tool for them.

Cobie Rutherford: Well, and I think about these youth that start their record books when they're, I'll just say ninth grade and I realize a lot of 4-H'ers start way before, but if you start by the time you're ninth grade, and you can just document your high school activities and then you got to apply for scholarship, and you can say, I've spent 290 hours doing community service or towards a certain project here where there's health fitness or whatever. I think scholarship committees would really think, "Wow, that's pretty mind blowing. That would set those applications apart from everybody else's."

John Long: Yeah, I was going to say it makes them stand out for sure. I tell you. And of course they have club record books too. Why don't you explain that one? So that, well-

Cobie Rutherford: The club record books-

John Long: ... since we're on the topic of record books, we might as well.

Cobie Rutherford: And we just finished with those, judging those, we call them bender club bows basically-

John Long: Bender club. That is also my first time see the banner club.

Cobie Rutherford: So they is basically a club secretary puts together their whole clubs activities for the year. So the club is consisting of several different children. I think some of them went up to 60 or 70 kids on the row, but basically they put together what the club did as a unit and when they met they recorded their meetings and their minutes and who attended. And then they talked about their community service and whatever they did that was philanthropic, really cool. And you know AT&T sponsors had really good legislative appreciation day for us and we recognize those bender club winners at that reception.

John Long: Right, right. Well we were talking about that the other day,

Cobie Rutherford: That's always neat and now, I guess since post-election we'll get to meet all those new legislatures and I'll get to see who's down there representing us in Jackson.

John Long: Yeah that's right, that's exactly right.

Cobie Rutherford: It's always exciting.

John Long: Oh, absolutely.

Cobie Rutherford: See some new faces and we-

John Long: I'm trying to think about working backwards. We have a lot of events during the summer who has the state fair not too long ago and then all the events that we had during the summer that, I've always, and I've said this before, I think my favorite, well, other than 4-H S.A.F.E.T.Y., My favorite thing is the road trip. I love going on the project achievement day, road trips. I think that's so much fun to get out and see the younger kids, which sometimes we kind of lose touch with that because we don't get to interact with the young people all that much, from our standpoint anyway.

John Long: But a lot of those activities are just wonderful because it goes back again to what we were saying about record books. You get to showcase what you're doing and you get to actually see it. Whether it be a Logo build or a insect collection. And that's a shameless plug for entomology cause you need to get out there and do that. But just various things and it's so varied. That's the most wonderful thing I think about 4-H is the fact of being able to pick a project that you're passionate about or maybe you that you don't even know much about but want to learn more about that is what 4-H offers and that is, it's just amazing.

Cobie Rutherford: Right? And I think about all those "gee whiz" things that you can pick up on and for example, in 4-H, we have a leaf collection and 4-H'ers can turn in leaf collections at state fair. And I mean how many young people can go out and say, "Oh that's an American Chestnut, eyes on those leaves." Or, "That's a white Oak or water out. Tell the difference. Our 4-H'ers who participate in those projects can do that.

John Long: I guarantee they can. I guarantee unless-

Cobie Rutherford: That's a lost art.

John Long: Yes it is and you know, as I say, as one of the first things that you need to really learn about habitat and as far as wildlife's concerned, you need to know the different trees cause you know, need to know what to eat.

Cobie Rutherford: What type of fruit I guess, yeah.

John Long: Right. Yeah. I read that the other day.

Cobie Rutherford: It's time for fruits and nuts.

John Long: Yeah and shameless plug for hunting because it's getting that time of year so.

Cobie Rutherford: Man, I bet you can't wait.

John Long: Ah, I can't, I'm not good. I'm about to die. It's just right there on the edge.

Cobie Rutherford: I've seen so many into here this year. And as these days are getting cooler, they're out everywhere.

John Long: Did I tell you I got a text from a deputy sheriff out there by my house. He'd said he said big buck just across the road by your house.

Cobie Rutherford: How funny.

John Long: I got to tackled that I haven't seen it yet, but I used to on it, so I believe it.

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, we're good too.

John Long: So maybe he'll slip up. You never can tell.

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah. Maybe it'll your little boy's first buck.

John Long: Oh, I know.

Cobie Rutherford: That'd be kind of cool?

John Long: Yeah, it would be. I'm taking my daughter, she started shooting, so, I'm going to take her this weekend. So. Yep.

Cobie Rutherford: Good.

John Long: Always good to get out and get those young people outside.

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah. You know you talked about the PAD road trip. That was fun.

John Long: Sorry I got off on them hunting. Not that I am on it.

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, that it was that time of year.

John Long: Yeah. Don't start because with Thanksgiving coming around and I'll start telling about turkeys.

Cobie Rutherford: I'm going to be gobbling here, I enjoyed the cookout, marshmallow. Put it on your calendar next year. Just go ahead and Mark out the, I was National-

John Long: National Shooting Sports.

Cobie Rutherford: National Shooting Sports. Well, I'll claim that into myself then but man.

John Long: When is that, when is it? That's probably the same time every year, right?

Cobie Rutherford: Last week in July. Well-

John Long: In July.

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, I think so.

John Long: Well, I don't know where I was then.

Cobie Rutherford: But yeah, it was that the week after co-op.

John Long: The week after co-op?

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, that's it.

John Long: Oh, I was getting ready for the invitational.

Cobie Rutherford: Oh, that's right.

John Long: The state invitational.

Cobie Rutherford: So yeah, so that was the most fun. We've got to figure out some locations for that this year. But I'm totally looking forward to that. I'm not relinquishing those duties.

John Long: And I wouldn't either. I love it. Well maybe we just need to swap.

Cobie Rutherford: No, or just tag team.

John Long: Oh yeah, that's right.

Cobie Rutherford: I'll take beef. You can have pork.

John Long: There you go. Oh my goodness.

Cobie Rutherford: Or poultry.

John Long: Yes. I cooked some pork last night.

Cobie Rutherford: All of the above. It's fantastic.

John Long: So wonderful.

Cobie Rutherford: Congress was fun too. I will always go back and think, well that was fun. This was fun. But Congress was exhausting.

John Long: I love the energy of Congress.

Cobie Rutherford: Yes. I mean the days were so long from a staff standpoint, I know they were long for the kids as well and the agents. But you just felt so energized afterwards because I mean it's almost like you were on a high because you knew you had done good that week.

John Long: That's right. That's exactly right.

Cobie Rutherford: You had seen smiling faces, you had seen people achieve, reach their goals and I don't know.

John Long: And problem solving too. When something comes up and you have to think, I mean not think on the flyer, but when you have to come up and say, "Okay, well listen, this didn't work. We're going to make this work this way." Kind of, I liked that aspect of it too. It's a team effort. It's not just one person doing everything so.

Cobie Rutherford: Exactly. And I think back to Congress and the election snafu and getting on and saying, we messed up. That's all we can say we have. We made a mistake on this.

John Long: I'm trying to forget that-

Cobie Rutherford: Attitude. Yeah, Sometimes you remember those things. And that's how we get better.

John Long: That's right, absolutely. So if you've got any comments, acknowledge it.

Cobie Rutherford: 1-800-Cobie Rutherford. File them in the records, in my record book.

John Long: In your record book?

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah.

John Long: That's right. That's what you need to do is make notes and then forget about them. That's what normally I do. But anyway, every time is why we can take an opportunity to learn. So like you said, it makes us better. So not going to be perfect, never is, so right.

Cobie Rutherford: So what about next year? 2020.

John Long: What about next year?

Cobie Rutherford: The start of a new decade.

John Long: Ever since you said that it's made a big impact on me.

Cobie Rutherford: Oh yeah. The other day I said we have two months left in the decade?

John Long: I just didn't think of it like that, 10 years.

Cobie Rutherford: I know.

John Long: Good gracious.

Cobie Rutherford: Well you know I will finish my PhD in the next decade.

John Long: By golly, if it's going to happen.

Cobie Rutherford: It's going to happen and then that'll be three decades of school or let's go across three decades.

John Long: I started school in August of 1978 and I finished my PhD in the, I'm going to get this right. It was the fall of 2006 so whatever that is.

Cobie Rutherford: So you had the seventies eighties nineties and in 2000s. So you had across four. I think I'll be across four because I started school in '90 so I had the '90s, the 2000s, 2010s yeah, it'll be four.

John Long: So now I know how much older you are to me. That's when I graduated from high school.

Cobie Rutherford: It was '90?

John Long: '90. It was a good year.

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, '90 was a good year.

John Long: I'm sorry I interrupted you. You were talking about 2020, let's go back to 2020, the new decade.

Cobie Rutherford: Go and finish the PhD. We're going to, personally we're going to get some cows in Mississippi.

John Long: Yes.

Cobie Rutherford: That's my first goal. Professionally, I think my goal would probably be to keep working to expand 4-H programs. I always think about agriculture and trying to keep agriculture at the forefront of 4-H programs and regardless if the child's involved in FCS or clothing construction or citizenship and leadership, make sure that they know where their food and fiber comes from.

John Long: Right. That's good.

Cobie Rutherford: So I think that's my goal for the decade.

John Long: Keep it up. You got to keep it up.

Cobie Rutherford: What about you?

John Long: Lets say. Personal. I don't know. I think that, I love my family. I think I am going to try to spend more time with them and doing less of maybe other things that I do currently, maybe cut down on some things and do more things with them. Try to get out, maybe travel a little bit more a season. We've got some friends up North and I'd like to go see them. We haven't seen them in a while, so probably do that. And I don't know, I've just family's big thing to me. I just, I love being with my family, so whatever I can do to do more with them I guess. And, and professionally, I don't know. I'm kind of always wanting to think about new things that we can try and do and so I guess it's always on my mind.

John Long: So I guess it is an evolving process, I guess this new things that we can try and, and if it fails, it fails. And if you don't, you know, "Hey, try something else."

Cobie Rutherford: That's right.

John Long: I think that's probably what I'll do is explore more areas like that.

Cobie Rutherford: A good deal. Sounds like a plan. Here's the 2020.

John Long: Here. We don't have anything to clink, but we'll, yeah, that's great, and so with that we need to thank, I'd say what we need to thank a lot of people. First and foremost, I would like to say thank you to art Shirley in the Ag Communications Department. He has been just absolutely the greatest help we can have as

John Long: far as getting us started. It's amazing. 30 episodes has just gone by so quickly and we couldn't have done it without him for sure.

Cobie Rutherford: And for the whole Extension, admin team, the Ag Comm team,-

John Long: Just got behind us.

Cobie Rutherford: ... for providing us with this facility to do this, this room, this technology. Yeah. We're getting into the digital age here, so-

John Long: We need to do like a Facebook live where people can see us.

Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, that's-

John Long: ... at the same time.

Cobie Rutherford: ... new year's resolution.

John Long: Oh, put that down. Put that down in your notes.

Cobie Rutherford: That's right.

John Long: And speaking of notes. So we need to thank, we didn't know this until the other day. Ms. Cindy Callahan, she's transcribing our podcast and she said it's quite entertaining.

Cobie Rutherford: So I can't imagine what that looks like.

John Long: We're making an effort, so thank you Cindy. And for all our guests that we had on this year, it was really a lot of fun and thank you Cobie for, like we said, when we found out that we had this opportunity and it kind of like both clicked on us, this is something we wanted to do.

John Long: So thank you and have a great rest of your year. Enjoy the holidays and we'll just start back whenever we get back.

Cobie Rutherford: Yes sir.

John Long: All right, well with that, that's, I'll get this off my tongue. This is 4-H-4-U-2 and we are signing off for 2019 see you in 2020 thanks for listening. Thanks for joining us for 4-H-4-U-2 for more permission, please visit and be sure to subscribe to our podcast. 4-H-4-U-2 is produced by the Mississippi State University Extension Service, Office of Agricultural Communications.

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